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Ben Potter · Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2009 11:24 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the input.
I found the messer I was thinking of with the twist.
http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/displayimage....fullsize=1

Michael Eging · Posted: Fri 06 Nov, 2009 7:08 am Post subject:

That is a really nice weapon, Ben. The cross guard really makes it stand out. If this is what you decide to do, or some variation of it, I can't wait to see your project finished!

Ken Speed · Posted: Fri 06 Nov, 2009 8:52 am Post subject:

Isn't there a saying about someone forming a committee to create a horse and what the committee cam up with was a camel?

So having said that, I'm going to offer an opinion. No one said I had to be consistent! Big Grin

I think the curved grip with the twisted cross guard would result in an extraordinarily good looking and probably comfortable to grip and use weapon even if it isn't absolutely historically accurate.

Just because we don't have any surviving examples of something it doesn't mean that it wasn't done. Someone here uses the line (I'm paraphrasing) that "absence of evidence doesn't indicate evidence of absence".

I too am confident that your eye will lead you to the right decision in the end.

Ben Potter · Posted: Fri 06 Nov, 2009 11:16 am Post subject:

I took the suggestions I got and made some composite sketches (on the computer) to compare the different options.
Sorry about the image quality I didn't have time to do it by hand.
Let me know what you think.

Jeff Kaisla · Posted: Fri 06 Nov, 2009 12:37 pm Post subject:

You are an amazing artist Ben\. I like the look of all of those designs. Just a thought, but, if you kept the twisted guard but omitted the sharp quillion tips, it might look a little less...."Fantasy, I guess, for lack of a better term" Dont get me wrong, I like the origional quillions , but maybe a rounded or squared off finial would help make it look a bit more of a historical design? Maybe try different finials on both a twisted straight guard and the twisted recurved guard. What do you think?

Chris Artman · Posted: Fri 06 Nov, 2009 1:04 pm Post subject:

The sharp curved tips of the guard do look cool though!! We can't help that some of the original pieces lacked a true artist behind the design.

Ken Speed · Posted: Fri 06 Nov, 2009 1:38 pm Post subject:

All I can say is that if some historical sword maker failed to come up with something like the messer second from the bottom, shame on them. That would be a truly beautiful weapon.

M. Eversberg II · Posted: Sat 07 Nov, 2009 9:19 am Post subject:

In the drawing of the four, I like the hilt of the top two but not so much of the bottom two. Can't quite place the reason, though.

M.

Nathan Robinson · myArmoury Admin

Of the ones shown, I vote #2.

Chris Artman · Posted: Sat 07 Nov, 2009 12:38 pm Post subject:

I vote for number 1 or number 3

Joel Chesser · Posted: Sat 07 Nov, 2009 2:19 pm Post subject:

Ben Potter · Posted: Sat 07 Nov, 2009 3:59 pm Post subject:

I'm thinking of going with something like this. (and doing more research then a "historical" one)

Just ignore the grip as it is all out of proportion, and not the right shape. I like the tighter twist, and square cross-section of the quillions.

Luka Borscak · Posted: Sat 07 Nov, 2009 4:04 pm Post subject:

Wow, nice combination, I vote for this. Happy

Chris Artman · Posted: Sat 07 Nov, 2009 5:12 pm Post subject:

I still like number one...

M. Eversberg II · Posted: Sat 07 Nov, 2009 5:26 pm Post subject:

Ben, I like the newest one with the tighter twist. I think the really long twisted ones looked a tad out of place with a weapon this short.

M.

Ben Potter · Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2009 5:09 pm Post subject:

Here is the blade after the first day's forging.

I'll be forging the final bevel and the tang next.

(no, it isn't a seax , just looks like one at the moment Wink

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Matthew Fedele · Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2009 6:52 pm Post subject:

Hey Ben,

Just my 2 cents, but I'm thinking the curved grip would put it more into the hunting sword category. The messers seemed to have an illusion of a curved grip because of the pommel which is kind of unique to that style of sword.

The blade is looking good, I've been enjoying watching your project progress.

Cheers!
Matt

M. Eversberg II · Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2009 10:31 pm Post subject:

Will the blade become broader during the forging or is it going to stay around that size?

M.

Ben Potter · Posted: Wed 11 Nov, 2009 7:48 am Post subject:

Samuel Bena · Posted: Wed 11 Nov, 2009 9:16 am Post subject: