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Mart Shearer
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I don't think they're certain that it is.
The link identifies it as being in the Zagreb Archaeological Museum, Musei Archaeologici Zagrabiensis. A quick search brought a bilingual monograph of the catalog which has images of both samples.
https://www.academia.edu/513681/Militaria_Sisciensia_Musei_Archaeologici_Zagrabiensis_Catalogi_et_Monographiae_vol._1_Zagreb_2005
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| Quote: | Cat. Nos.133 and 134 represent two larger fragments of a mail
armour, found during the dredging of the Kupa river near Sisak. On
those photographs can be seen the method of construction of mail
armour. Considering that the mail armour did not change
its shape through the centuries, it is impossible to determine their
closer dating. (Fig. 18-19) |
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Eric S
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Very strange looking, double solid links, has this been seen on other examples?
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Mart Shearer
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Not doubled, it's just not woven into the fabric yet.
Between the low-resolution pictures, the lack of measurements, and the corrosion from being a river find, I see no reason to think it's Roman rather than something associated with the late 16th century battle of Sisak vs. the Turks. I'm sure the area has a lot of history in between which might account for it too.
ferrum ferro acuitur et homo exacuit faciem amici sui
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Luka Borscak
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A few of my own pictures of supposedly roman mail from archeological museum in Zagreb:
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Luka Borscak
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Two mail armours from Graz Zeughaus. The problem is that I don't really know which pictures belong to which armour.  One was the shirt with dense collar you see complete in one picture and the other was shown in combination with hussar breastplate, so only sleeves could be seen well.
I think this is the other one because the rivet caps are round:
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Mart Shearer
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You take take good photos, Luka. The shirt with collar in the Graz is being displayed inside-out. At least we can see the inside of the wedge-riveted joint that way. 
ferrum ferro acuitur et homo exacuit faciem amici sui
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Noah A. Sabouni
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Is mail better when its small or large rings?
I like middle east and European history
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Luka Borscak
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Small and relatively thick is the best. Especially against thrusts and arrows.
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Luka Borscak
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| Mart Shearer wrote: | | You take take good photos, Luka. The shirt with collar in the Graz is being displayed inside-out. At least we can see the inside of the wedge-riveted joint that way. |
Thanks! I didn't realize it's inside out.
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Jasper B.
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| Posted: Wed 19 Aug, 2015 12:52 pm Post subject: Royal Armory in Leeds, maille pictures (1 of 4) |
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Visited the Royal Armoury in Leeds recently, some maille pictures:
[Overall, the collection on display isn't really worth visiting the Armoury for. But since entrance is free, it may be nice to visit if you happen to be in Leeds anyhow]
(maille on aventail of helmet shown)
J.B.
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Jasper B.
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| Posted: Wed 19 Aug, 2015 12:53 pm Post subject: Royal Armory in Leeds, maille pictures (2 of 4) |
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Ok, not really maille, but interesting enough.
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Jasper B.
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| Posted: Wed 19 Aug, 2015 12:54 pm Post subject: Royal Armory in Leeds, maille pictures (3 of 4) |
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Larger than real example of Japanese weave.
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Jasper B.
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| Posted: Wed 19 Aug, 2015 12:56 pm Post subject: Royal Armory in Leeds, maille pictures (4 of 4) |
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Most interesting maille on display (in my opinion)
It is somewhat hard to get decent pictures through the glass of the display cases, but I hope they are helpful to someone.
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Mart Shearer
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Mail shirt 19325, grid Vxx6 from Wisby:
http://catview.historiska.se/catview/media/highres/374312
OK, It's not in great shape, but consider the iron was buried with a few hundred decaying corpses.
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Eric S
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| Mart Shearer wrote: | | You take take good photos, Luka. The shirt with collar in the Graz is being displayed inside-out. At least we can see the inside of the wedge-riveted joint that way. |
This hauberk looks like it was never worn, the back of the links show no wear/burnishing, you can really see how the rivets fit into the slot punched for them.
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Eric S
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| Eric S wrote: | | Mart Shearer wrote: | MET 36.25.476.
http://www.metmuseum.org/Collections/search-the-collections/27751
Mail Shirt
Date: 17th–19th century
Culture: Tibetan, possibly Bhutanese or Nepalese
Medium: Iron, leather, textile
Dimensions: Weight, 18 lb. 14 oz. (8561.6 g)
Classification: Mail
Credit Line: Bequest of George C. Stone, 1935
Accession Number: 36.25.476
Not a good enough set of photos to see any real details of the riveting.
There is one privately owned example of a similar Tibetan armor that I know of, I have asked the owner for some detailed pictures of the mail or at least a description as to if it is all riveted or demi riveted. |
Met Tibetan armor.
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I finally have some detailed images from a Tibetan riveted mail hauberk showing the outside and inside on the links. There are no solid links, the mail appears to be round riveted and quite old with some areas being worn to the point were both the inside and outside are worn smooth and you can not see any details of the links. There are a lot of butted repairs.
This mail does not look to be just a copy of Indo-Persian mail, it look to have been made independently, supposedly these Tibetan hauberks were worn by mounted warriors which may explain why some lower areas would be heavily worn down while other areas are not worn down as much.
Tibetan riveted mail, exterior of the links on the left, interior of the links on the right.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/2f/f8/c4/2ff8c448db6fd96b505ad8ac1ba3f8ed.jpg
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Peter Mustonen
Location: Finland Joined: 01 Jan 2009
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Few months ago I was visiting in Krakow again. There is great exhibition called Ottomania in the Museum Narodowe. After the exhibition I went to the basic exhibition and took few pictures of the mailshirts they have. One is the type known having islamic inscriptions around all the rings. This shirt is under one Hussar armour so you have to be on a sharp mood to notice. The next one is behind the glass and what it looks there is a small crosses decorated on each ring.
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