I found this sword/dagegr on a Swedish auction site:
http://www.tradera.com/auction/auction.asp?aid=14978051
But I have never seen a hilt like this on a sword, there is no pommel.
(Looks more like the hilt of a knife)

But the blade looks decent with a fuller.
The sword is short, just 51cm
Any info?

Thank you!

looks like a type of bayonet...

Well It looked like a small messer. I would agree with the bayonet, but it lacked mounts for a rifle and the pommel end was not tapered for a pulg style mount. So I would have to go with messer hilt style but not sure on the clasification.

Thank you for your help!
Yes, I was also thinking in the line of bayonet, but a modified one as there is nowhere to attach a rifle.
But I have not seen a bayo with a blade like that. (But my experience is limited)
And the double-edged blade looks very ”swordish” to me.

Thanks again!

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Coooooould be a rehilted midshipmans dirk....or a broken sword blade rehilted as a dagger. The handle with the rivets just 'don't go' with the blade. It's cool though.......I like it. It would be hella tough in a hassel. My 2 cents.......mcm.

I must suggest that it is a bayonette. It just doesn't have a structure that would suggest it might be/have been a dirk. There are a huge variety of large knife/sword bayonettes. You find most of them toward the end of the 19th century, as I recall. This could easily have been one of these modified slightly, or with a replaced guard. As much as I might like to hope for a treasure, I don't think this is much more than that.

Feel free to prove me wrong though.

True David, probably not a treasure. (But maybe an interesting little sword/dagger non the less)
I wrote the seller and asked him about the ”sword”
He said it was old (I Know that can mean anything from ten to hundreds of year)
from an ”Old estate”. He knows nothing about its origin. The blade is not especially sharp
and the guillions are a little loose, everything else is tight. No damage to the blade except some dirt and a little rust.

We are thinking in the line of bayonet, and there are so many of them. But I am fairly sure it is not a Swedish one.
But that doesn’t mean much.

He sells a bayonet from the same estate:
http://www.tradera.com/auction/aid_14976878
But that is an entirely different model.

If the “sword” stays cheap, maybe I buy it just for fun.

Here's a recreated messer from Albion:

http://www.albion-swords.com/swords/albion/ne...eister.htm

Check the albums here for photos of historic messers.

Great! Thank you, both of you!
This place is really educational!

The question is could this thing I found pass for a messer?

/Joachim

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Ok, then, do we have anyone who speaks swedish who can get more info from the website or auction house?

Guys, please post more than a graphic of a single word, else there's really no point to adding to the topic. I really want to promote the exchange of information.

Hi again!
I bought the piece for $54. I will son see if it is worth the money
As soon as it arrives I will post more detailed photos.

As for the swedish auctions site www.tradera.com is has a little English flag that is supposed to
translate some of the information to English.
Most sellers accept international bidders, and you could see a few good swords there at times.

For example these Swedish sabers:
http://www.tradera.com/auction/aid_15170706
http://www.tradera.com/auction/aid_15003131

Cheers
Joachim

Hi Joachim,

It appears to be the forward section of an US. M1913 Patton saber.

My bookmarks are a mess but there is an article out there describing these. Some were theater made (individual effort). Here is another that was ground out a little further from the point.
http://www.jbrucevoyles.com/Auction%2023/DCP_1235.JPG

There was a company, I believe it was in California, that cut three daggers from each saber. One each from the point, middle and rear of the blade. They are uncommon enough to be unfamiliar.

I don't know if you posted this to the Bernard Levine forum at KF or BF. I'm not sure if it is his article I'm remembering. I'll poke around some more. Yours was probably homemade but I can't be sure of that.

Cheers

GC

Here is the page I was thinking of. Scroll down to the M1913 article and the reference to The Anderson Stiletto is there.
http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/reject_articles.htm