Can anyone ID these 2 polearms?

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b26/offpiste/DSC00020.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b26/offpiste/1bce5f6b.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b26/offpiste/DSC00032.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b26/offpiste/DSC00031.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b26/offpiste/DSC00030.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b26/offpiste/DSC00029.jpg

I was encouraged to post here from sword forum int. You can follow the thread here:

http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56771


Thank you
JD

Hey Sean, Ben, et al what do you guys think? I gave my under educated guess over at SFI but I'd love to hear some other opinions...

J.;

The links don't seem to work here, but I can view them when I go to the SFI thread and click on them there.

Victorian era something looks highly likely but I don't really remember seeing anything exactly like them before: They might still be valuable as Victorian era curios.

Very wild and probably WRONG guess: I have seen ornate fences that had pike-like vertical bars that made me wish that I could just hacksaw one and take it home. :lol:

Don't you hate it when you see what looks like a really neat sword but it's actually a part of a bronze statue !
At least as a little kid I sort of wanted one just like it.

Frustrating like a plate of wax fruit if you were starving and couldn't find any real food. :p :lol:

In any case I hope someone will be able to tell us exactly what these are ?

The simpler of the two might be a very late (ca. 1800) English militia spontoon, but both of these look more like theatrical or decorative pieces to me. Maybe late 19th c.

Go to http://www.faganarms.com and download catalog #72 for the description of the militia spontoons shown below.

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Ooo good thought, I hadn't considered that they might be stage pieces...

The first appears to be a Ranseur, due to the back-curving "hook" form of the prongs, though polearms of similar form with edged prongs are often classified as Spetums, so... could go eitehr way, depending on how you look at it. I'd still say Ranseur, though.

I'd hazard that the second might be a Partisan of some sort, but it lacks additional protrusions from the side of the blade. It's likely some interesting but nameless variety of spear or footman's lance.