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Roger Hooper




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PostPosted: Sun 05 Feb, 2012 1:35 pm    Post subject: Information on Italian sword with Finger Ring?         Reply with quote

Does anyone have any information, statistics or more photographs of this sword? It dates from around 1350 and is lodged in the Armeria Reale in Turin. It was first mentioned on myArmoury on this thread -

If I knew Italian, maybe I would contact the museum for information.



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PostPosted: Sun 05 Feb, 2012 2:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Information on Italian sword with Finger Ring?         Reply with quote

Roger Hooper wrote:
Does anyone have any information, statistics or more photographs of this sword? It dates from around 1350 and is lodged in the Armeria Reale in Turin. It was first mentioned on myArmoury on this thread -

If I knew Italian, maybe I would contact the museum for information.


If my experience of Dutch, Norwegian, Spanish and Portuguese museum staff is anything to go by, I'd be surprised if the staff in Italian museums didn't speak/read/write very good English. I'd give it a go.

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Feb, 2012 2:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Geoff you beat me to the punch.

i was just recommending the same thing. whoever your contacting at the museum, if they've gone though their school system they probably know english, as well as german, french, spanish and a few others.

but what we use for terminology to describe the sword in english may not translate too well.
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PostPosted: Tue 07 Feb, 2012 12:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Daniel Wallace wrote:
but what we use for terminology to describe the sword in english may not translate too well.


To overcome this problem, you could use this book:

Lexicon of Hilted Weapons in Four Languages = Lexique quadrilingue des armes de main, d’estoc et de taille = Viertalig lexicon van de gevestwapens = Viersprachiges Lexikon der Gefässwaffen (met Piet de Gryse) (S.l.: Gesellschaft für historische Waffen- und Kostümkunde 2006), 384 pp, illustrated, ISBN 10: 3-00-019259-X

EDIT: This book does not contain an Italian section. Blush


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PostPosted: Tue 07 Feb, 2012 12:35 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

For German terms, try this thread:

http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=7685

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Feb, 2012 12:45 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here's all the info Boccia's Armi Bianche Italiane contains.

Babelfish (exceedingly rough) translation:

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Cut round knob to disc on the main faces, with button to I add. Long Codolo, nearly from a hand and means, and elso straight to section quadrotta, with bow of guard formed from a simple hook that exits from the corresponding arm. Blade sgusciata till the mean and heads for ogive.


Hopefully, one of our Italian readers can give us a better translation (i.e. one that makes sense).



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PostPosted: Tue 07 Feb, 2012 4:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

My experience is that writing in a foreign language can be an hit or miss, I advise the starter of this thread to make use of the translating services of one of the italian speaking members of this forum (he may pm me with a text if necessary).

As for Boccia's flourished italian I will be glad to post a translation tomorrow. Razz
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PostPosted: Wed 08 Feb, 2012 5:38 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad Arnow wrote:
Here's all the info Boccia's Armi Bianche Italiane contains.

Babelfish (exceedingly rough) translation:

Quote:
Cut round knob to disc on the main faces, with button to I add. Long Codolo, nearly from a hand and means, and elso straight to section quadrotta, with bow of guard formed from a simple hook that exits from the corresponding arm. Blade sgusciata till the mean and heads for ogive.


Hopefully, one of our Italian readers can give us a better translation (i.e. one that makes sense).


Here we go with the translation of the Boccia's text

"Round pommel cut into a disc shape on both faces, with a button at the top. Long tang, almost one and an half hand (long), and a straight hilt with an almost square section. An arc like guard made up by a simple hook exiting from the corresponding arm (of the cross). Blade fullered until the medium and an ogive like point"
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PostPosted: Wed 08 Feb, 2012 6:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Bruno Giordan wrote:
Hopefully, one of our Italian readers can give us a better translation (i.e. one that makes sense).

"Round pommel cut into a disc shape on both faces, with a button at the top. Long tang, almost one and an half hand (long), and a straight hilt with an almost square section. An arc like guard made up by a simple hook exiting from the corresponding arm (of the cross). Blade fullered until the medium and an ogive like point"


I'll modify that into:

Disc shaped cut round pommel on main faces, with the button at the top. Long tang, almost one hand and a half, and a straight hilt with an almost square section, with a small arc-like guard composed by a simple hook exiting from the corresponding arm (of the cross). Blade fullered until the medium (half blade) and ogival point

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PostPosted: Wed 08 Feb, 2012 7:20 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Another option, a little bit different:

Round pommel, disc-shaped in the both sides, with a button at the top. Grip large as in a hand-and-a-half sword (longsword), and straight hilt in square section, with one lower side-ring formed by a simple loop that starts in its corresponding quillon. The blade has a groove that ends at center and an ogival tip.

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