Posts: 620 Location: Bjästa, Sweden
Thu 26 May, 2005 3:30 pm
| Joachim Nilsson wrote: |
| Aaron Schnatterly wrote: |
Where I am, there is history, and it is interesting, but you have to look for it - it's like it isn't really important. Where you are, though... man... THAT'S history, and it is still there in the open. |
Unfortunately most native Swedes know SQUAT about their own history or roots. Something I have a very hard time reconciling with...
Heck, we could even take a field trip to Skansen in Stockholm just so you could get the opportunity to reach out and physically touch an old timber cottage dated to the 14th Century. Yes, it's still standing. And yes, you read it correctly: 14th Century. Then we'll go oogle the arms and armour in the Royal Armoury and scuttle through the streets of "Old Town", looking for weapons and stuff in all the old antiquity shops. :p |
Yeah! Last summer Joachim and I was offered ti by a authentic bronzage sword/dagger for 35000 Skr (4 700 $) in one of the those places.
We unfrortunatly didn´t have that much money....
Martin
Posts: 620 Location: Bjästa, Sweden
Thu 26 May, 2005 3:57 pm
| Russ Ellis wrote: |
| Drat yahoo turned up nothing other then a story saying it was a pair of divers that found the sword... but still no picture. :( |
Oh, the sword the divers found is another sword from that lake... All our lakes are just full of swords (or one might belive...)
hehe
Martin
Posts: 411 Location: Göteborg Sweden
Thu 26 May, 2005 4:47 pm
:D same picture some better :D
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Posts: 1,244 Location: New Glarus, WI
Thu 26 May, 2005 5:48 pm
Yes, agreed. Much clearer photo, and quite a nice piece!
Given the odd perspective, it's a little hard to tell what's going on there with the cross. Like the overall design - fits my personal tastes from what I can make out. What's up with that pommel? Is it pinned through the side?
Oh, and Martin - if there were a significant chance of making a find like that, I'd bring my SCUBA rig. You know... since those bodies of water are just teeming with relics. :p
Yup, definitely going to have to make it to Sweden. Definitely. I think I'll finally feel like I have found someplace I belong to. I know that probably sounds odd, but I've never felt like I belonged somewhere... but always felt a desire to make it there. Even when I was little.
Posts: 8,310 Location: Montreal,Quebec,Canada
Thu 26 May, 2005 5:56 pm
Looks like what is left of the guard might be a side ring ? Would have to see the other side to see if there is a trace of a main strait or curved guard.
Posts: 1,244 Location: New Glarus, WI
Thu 26 May, 2005 6:16 pm
| Jean Thibodeau wrote: |
| Looks like what is left of the guard might be a side ring ? |
Was wondering the same thing - both sides appear to be turned toward the same side - was this the way it was, or did time and the elements take a toll? Just not clear enough to tell for sure. This piece will be on my mind a bit, though...
Will DEFINITELY be interested in Peter's interpretation.
Posts: 334 Location: UK
Fri 27 May, 2005 2:47 am
That's a lucky catch !
The guard does look very short - is it intact or were bits broken off ? I wondered too whether the guard had been bent that way originally. I guess accident or elements couldn't bend it so evenly in the same direction. I've only seen S-shape guards in books before - is that a common guard shape ?
I can't tell if that's cord or wire on the grip from the photo.
Is this an Eastern European style of sword or a Venetian style or was it from elswhere in Europe? The only ones in my books that look anything like it seem to be described as Eastern European, Slavonic or Hungarian.
Posts: 1,244 Location: New Glarus, WI
Fri 27 May, 2005 6:43 am
| Russ Ellis wrote: |
| Or maybe he is thinking of Alexander Nevsky? As I recall Nevsky deliberately lured an Army of Teutonic knights onto the ice and then broke the ice... |
Nope... but that sounds familiar, too. My poor brain works off of concepts and theories, rather than on remembering facts and details. Some say I have a terminal case of CRS (can't remember sh..) :p
I would think there were many situations through history when ice (or the sudden displacement of) caused a lot of grief for folks. Not wanting to take this thread on an unnecessary side street (or discuss the movie itself in any detail), I will state that, although fantastic, the scene in King Arthur was certainly illustrative of the "oh, crap!" that could occur on ice.
Posts: 411 Location: Göteborg Sweden
Fri 27 May, 2005 6:57 am
:) I have make it bigger and light it up a bit, lots of ooh and aah here to look at :D :cool:
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The Vättern Sword
Posts: 2,608
Fri 27 May, 2005 7:59 am
Thanks Patrik! I'm perplexed, do both arms of the cross curl the same way?
Posts: 1,244 Location: New Glarus, WI
Fri 27 May, 2005 9:01 am
| Joachim Nilsson wrote: |
| Russ Ellis wrote: | | Thanks Patrik! I'm perplexed, do both arms of the cross curl the same way? |
It certainly looks that way. Could it be that we are seeing the remnants of a heflty side-ring there? Or have they just been distorted by time? |
That's the same thing Jean and I were discussing a couple of postings ago. It's hard to tell... Unless it was quite abusive down there, I would imagine it would be difficult to distort this cross as such. If it was that abusive, I want my house built out of the material that scabbard is made from!
Posts: 411 Location: Göteborg Sweden
Fri 27 May, 2005 9:25 am
I don't think it have happen them something,
they looks like hollow on outside and twisted in a small angle but still have a horizontal straight line,
thats make them strong, it's just the tip on them that have rusted away a bit and saved the rest:)
my 2öre about it :D
Posts: 2,608
Fri 27 May, 2005 10:46 am
| Aaron Schnatterly wrote: |
| Joachim Nilsson wrote: | | Russ Ellis wrote: | | Thanks Patrik! I'm perplexed, do both arms of the cross curl the same way? |
It certainly looks that way. Could it be that we are seeing the remnants of a heflty side-ring there? Or have they just been distorted by time? |
That's the same thing Jean and I were discussing a couple of postings ago. It's hard to tell... Unless it was quite abusive down there, I would imagine it would be difficult to distort this cross as such. If it was that abusive, I want my house built out of the material that scabbard is made from! |
Exactly... so either we've got some truly bizarre corrosion that attacked the hilt metal more then it did the wooden scabbard or else we've got an entirely new hilt type... Wish they could show us the thing without the scabbard on... is it an XVIIIe...
Posts: 510
Fri 27 May, 2005 10:48 am
| Russ Ellis wrote: |
| Aaron Schnatterly wrote: | | Joachim Nilsson wrote: | | Russ Ellis wrote: | | Thanks Patrik! I'm perplexed, do both arms of the cross curl the same way? |
It certainly looks that way. Could it be that we are seeing the remnants of a heflty side-ring there? Or have they just been distorted by time? |
That's the same thing Jean and I were discussing a couple of postings ago. It's hard to tell... Unless it was quite abusive down there, I would imagine it would be difficult to distort this cross as such. If it was that abusive, I want my house built out of the material that scabbard is made from! |
Exactly... so either we've got some truly bizarre corrosion that attacked the hilt metal more then it did the wooden scabbard or else we've got an entirely new hilt type... Wish they could show us the thing without the scabbard on... is it an XVIIIe... |
Yeah, well... I was just brainstorming... Throwing stuff out there... Never mind.
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