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Aaron Schnatterly
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 Posted: Tue 04 Oct, 2005 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Congratulations Chad |
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Chad, the Sempach looks great, bud... hadn't seen one with this grip color before. I do like my red hues, but wouldn't have gone there on this - and I would have missed. Fits this better than I would have thought.
| Bob Burns wrote: | | Aaron, the rack of Albions is a beautiful sight to behold, I look forward to filling a rack of Arms & Armor, with 4 of their swords and 1 rapier I have a good start. |
Collection has grown a lot since then... need to update some pics and post them... It'll be a while, though... head back offshore in the morning, and have other things I need to tend to. Oh, and yes, you are off to a good start!
| Bob Burns wrote: | Something else I very much enjoy, the different kind of collections, like Patrick, you gear towards a particular kind of sword and a time period, and have umpteen versions, I think that is very interesting indeed.
For me, my interest is in the diversity of sword types, which is why somewhere down the road I will probably acquire the Albion Mainz Gladius. My collection as it grows will look like "Time Travel". LOL |
Actually, both Chad's and Patrick's collections are representative of a fairly broad timeframe... with no repetition within the collection. If I recall correctly, all are of a different Oakeshott Type. They both do have fairly well-defined goals to the collections, though... My collection also looks fairly 2-sided - 6 single-handers, 4 longswords (and 2 more on order - the Svante and Munich). It covers a range from 11th to 16th Century, though... with a few holes that I plan to fill in. My Knight and Squire may look similar, but are very, very different.
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Chad Arnow
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| Posted: Tue 04 Oct, 2005 10:03 am Post subject: Re: Latest Additions to my collection |
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| Mark Morris wrote: | The blue grip on the Regent is really nice.
I just ordered a Knight with a Royal blue grip. The lady I spoke to at Albion told me that they just made a Regent with a beautiful blue grip! They were quite proud of it!
So, you are the culprit!! 
Thanks for the "preview" of the color. Enjoy! |
Thanks! I'm probably not the culprit, though, since my Regent was made in May. The early part of this thread is old and I only dredged it up today to show off the Sempach. 
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Patrick Kelly
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| Posted: Tue 04 Oct, 2005 11:32 am Post subject: |
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Very nice Chad! The more I play with this one the neater I think it is.
Overall I very much like Chad's choices in grip color. In fact, many of them have made me regret my choice to go with an all black grip theme. I absolutely LOVE the blue regent grip. As far as I'm concerned that's *the* grip color for that sword.
If I had it to do all over again I'd choose the following colors for the swords I now have.
Regent: blue
Baron: brown
Sempach: dark red
Jarl: green (maybe still black)
Knight: plumb
"In valor there is hope.".................. Tacitus
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Bob Burns
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| Posted: Tue 04 Oct, 2005 11:53 am Post subject: What? No Caithness? |
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If I were to buy an Albion, my first selection hands down, would be the Caithness. Nobody has the Caithness?
Next additions to my collection are to be the Arms & Armor Edward III, St. Maurice, Black Prince, 12th Century, Katzbalger, German Branch Sword, perhaps the massive 15th Century Two Hander. Definately one of the first few will be the German Rapier for my wife.
Oh yeah, I always request a nice sharp edge on everything I buy. Geeze ya know what? I need to start playing the lottery! One thing for sure, if I were a wealthy man, I'd have Chris, Craig, Mark and the crew rather busy!
Oh another Albion I greatly admire is the Sovereign. I have something like it, the A&A Henry V, which is one formiddable cleaver and thruster of a short sword! Believe me, I put it to the test. I collect cardboard from the neighbors, forgot how much fun cardboard boxes can be (48, quite a number of years since childhood) but then again in many respects I am just a grown up kid.
Still don't know how an Albion collection can be complete without a Caithness! LOL
Happy Collecting,
Bob
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Chad Arnow
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| Posted: Tue 04 Oct, 2005 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: What? No Caithness? |
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| Bob Burns wrote: | If I were to buy an Albion, my first selection hands down, would be the Caithness. Nobody has the Caithness?
Oh another Albion I greatly admire is the Sovereign. I have something like it, the A&A Henry V, which is one formiddable cleaver and thruster of a short sword! Believe me, I put it to the test. I collect cardboard from the neighbors, forgot how much fun cardboard boxes can be (48, quite a number of years since childhood) but then again in many respects I am just a grown up kid.
Still don't know how an Albion collection can be complete without a Caithness! LOL
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Bob,
I got to play with a Caithness for a while and it's a neat sword. It handles nicely and is very unique visually. I you bought one, then somebody around here would have one. Here's a pic:
I sold my A&A Henry V when I bought Albion's Sovereign. The two swords are hard to compare, apart from both being less than 36 inches long, having curved guards and wheel pommels. They come from time periods roughly 100 years apart, and armour had made a lot of advancements in the intervening years. The Sovereign is made for that time period when most plate armour was confined to the legs, before people started adding it en masse to the limbs and torso. The Henry V will be a better thruster because of its diamond cross section and more acute tip. Both swords are fantastic little pit bulls, though.
If you haven't already seen it, Bill Grandy did a great review of the Sovereign. More pics of mine can be found in my collection gallery.
ChadA
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Russ Ellis
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| Posted: Tue 04 Oct, 2005 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Patrick Kelly wrote: | Very nice Chad! The more I play with this one the neater I think it is.
Overall I very much like Chad's choices in grip color. In fact, many of them have made me regret my choice to go with an all black grip theme. I absolutely LOVE the blue regent grip. As far as I'm concerned that's *the* grip color for that sword.
If I had it to do all over again I'd choose the following colors for the swords I now have.
Regent: blue
Baron: brown
Sempach: dark red
Jarl: green (maybe still black)
Knight: plumb |
I know what you mean. My arms and armor swords are all steel with steel furniture and black grips except for the wire wraps of course. I've thought about changing them out from time to time I've got a lot of color options available. However in the end I've decided just to go with the all steel and black motif and have even carried this over to swords from other companies, notable exceptions being the svante and a green handled duke that I picked up here on the classifieds.
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Chad Arnow
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| Posted: Tue 04 Oct, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the kind words, everyone. I think certain swords lend themselves to certain grip colors. The Baron in black really fits for me (that's why I bought it). It's an austere, severe sword: absolutely class, no-frills. The cross in the pommel only adds to that for me. The Regent needs something more flamboyant than black, but not as flamboyant as a red (sorry, Aaron ). Hence the blue. I went with the Magenta for the Mercenary because I wanted something different. I like it so much that when I replaced the Mercenary with the Sempach, I went with Magenta again.
I like something more flamboyant for the Sempach. During the late parts of the 14th century I think warriors were very colorful. Effigies show surcoats (or coat armour) with heraldic crests over decorated haubergons and aketons. You see so many helms with enormous crests, shaped like horns or people's heads, animal's heads, etc. They scream "Look at me!"
I find it hard to believe that someone wealthy enough to afford a sword like the Sempach with a complex pommel and blade would opt for a basic color like black or dark brown for the grip. A future project for my wife and me is to re-cover this campaign scabbard. Should be fun, though we won't get to that for a while.
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Russ Ellis
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| Chad Arnow wrote: | Thanks for the kind words, everyone. I think certain swords lend themselves to certain grip colors. The Baron in black really fits for me (that's why I bought it). It's an austere, severe sword: absolutely class, no-frills. The cross in the pommel only adds to that for me. The Regent needs something more flamboyant than black, but not as flamboyant as a red (sorry, Aaron ). Hence the blue. I went with the Magenta for the Mercenary because I wanted something different. I like it so much that when I replaced the Mercenary with the Sempach, I went with Magenta again.
I like something more flamboyant for the Sempach. During the late parts of the 14th century I think warriors were very colorful. Effigies show surcoats (or coat armour) with heraldic crests over decorated haubergons and aketons. You see so many helms with enormous crests, shaped like horns or people's heads, animal's heads, etc. They scream "Look at me!"
I find it hard to believe that someone wealthy enough to afford a sword like the Sempach with a complex pommel and blade would opt for a basic color like black or dark brown for the grip. A future project for my wife and me is to re-cover this campaign scabbard. Should be fun, though we won't get to that for a while. |
I absolutely agree. All those black and silver swords I have would definitely be atypical in period. It's why I've been encouraging people to get away from those plain old black scabbards for some time now. Some do, some don't.
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Aaron Schnatterly
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| Posted: Tue 04 Oct, 2005 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Chad Arnow wrote: | | I think certain swords lend themselves to certain grip colors. The Baron in black really fits for me (that's why I bought it). It's an austere, severe sword: absolutely class, no-frills. The cross in the pommel only adds to that for me. The Regent needs something more flamboyant than black, but not as flamboyant as a red (sorry, Aaron ). Hence the blue. I went with the Magenta for the Mercenary because I wanted something different. I like it so much that when I replaced the Mercenary with the Sempach, I went with Magenta again. |
I think I agree with your thought there on the Baron, Chad... and I tend to steer way away from black if I can. I have the Hersir and Landgraf in black - both were already finished - and of course, the Brescia is. That's enough black for me - except for a piece like the Baron. I'm debating a nice blue for my Munich, though. As for my very red Regent, I like it a lot. It's definitely in your face, and very high profile. I can fully understand your position on it, however - it's the brightest, most flamboyant piece in the collection thus far. I doubt I'll have another as arrogant as that - one is probably enough. As for the Merc... yeah, you done good, and I like it, too. Looks great with the rest of my babies.
Here's the rundown of mine... nice variety, I think:
Brescia - by default, black.
Regent - arrogant red.
Landgraf - black.
Squire - campaign brown, with a lot of sweat and grime.
Mercenary - magenta.
Knight - a red oxblood.
Ritter - magenta.
Berserkr - oxblood.
Hersir - black.
Vinland - campaign brown.
Future thoughts:
Svante - will be the reddish, by default.
Munich - debating a blue.
Solingen - black, by default.
Jarl - green.
Baron - black.
Duke - brown or oxblood.
and who knows what else... 
-Aaron Schnatterly
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Anton de Vries
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| Posted: Tue 04 Oct, 2005 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Aaron Schnatterly wrote: |
and who knows what else... |
Will you please stop bragging now?
Btw I bought an axe. Beat that.
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Russ Ellis
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| Anton de Vries wrote: | | Aaron Schnatterly wrote: |
and who knows what else... |
Will you please stop bragging now?
Btw I bought an axe. Beat that. |
So did I, which one did you get?
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Daniel Parry
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I think the question of grip colours is interesting and would like to know if anyone has a consolidated source on what was or might have been used. I remember there was a previous thread about cloth colours where I mentioned something I'd seen about a huge new range of colours coming into Europe from the middle east in the 14th~15th centuries, largely apparently as a result of off-shoots of alchemy experiments - into painting primarily and presumably into cloth and other dyes also and that this altered the colour spectrum in art. There were a couple of useful links provided by members on that thread to articles or sites on the subject. I wonder if the same occurred with sword grips in the range of available colours. I suppose it's one of those topics so specialised that there may only be one (or none) book on it.
Daniel
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Aaron Schnatterly
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| Posted: Tue 04 Oct, 2005 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Anton de Vries wrote: | | Aaron Schnatterly wrote: |
and who knows what else... |
Will you please stop bragging now? |
No.
| Russ Ellis wrote: | | Anton de Vries wrote: | | Btw I bought an axe. Beat that. |
So did I, which one did you get? |
So did I... A&A's Horseman's Axe:
and A&A's German Flail!
-Aaron Schnatterly
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Chad Arnow
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| Posted: Tue 04 Oct, 2005 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Daniel Parry wrote: | I think the question of grip colours is interesting and would like to know if anyone has a consolidated source on what was or might have been used. I remember there was a previous thread about cloth colours where I mentioned something I'd seen about a huge new range of colours coming into Europe from the middle east in the 14th~15th centuries, largely apparently as a result of off-shoots of alchemy experiments - into painting primarily and presumably into cloth and other dyes also and that this altered the colour spectrum in art. There were a couple of useful links provided by members on that thread to articles or sites on the subject. I wonder if the same occurred with sword grips in the range of available colours. I suppose it's one of those topics so specialised that there may only be one (or none) book on it.
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Daniel,
I honestly have no idea. Oakeshott does mention some swords with colored grips. A red one that had faded to pink comes to mind.  I know that there are scabbards covered in other other colors (and other materials) as well.
Some more examples from Oakeshott: The Sancho IV of Castile (d. 1295) sword's scabbard is covered in "rose-coloured leather," according to Oakeshott. The belt is green bordered by red. The Fernando de la Cerda (d. 1270) sword's grip is bound with yellow-dyed silk cord, with an overbinding of red silk cord. The "Santa Casilda" sword's grip is bound with red leather as well. A Type XV from the mid-15th century has a grip of red velvet. Can Grande della Scala's sword had a grip bound in silver wire, overwrapped with green silk. Oakeshott's Type XIV sword Moonbrand had a grip of black leather though.
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| Russ Ellis wrote: | | Anton de Vries wrote: |
Btw I bought an axe. Beat that. |
So did I, which one did you get? |
The CAS Francisca, a very popular toy I believe. And rightly so.
I got the antiqued version by mistake, but (much to my surprise) I actually like it, so I kept it.
It's tiny but can and will badly damage expensive armor (and the person wearing it) in seconds.
At a safe distance of course. 
What else can I say about it? Almost everyone has one.
(sorry about the brutal thread hijack)
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| Aaron Schnatterly wrote: | | Anton de Vries wrote: | | ]Btw I bought an axe. Beat that. |
So did I... A&A's Horseman's Axe:
and A&A's German Flail! |
Meanie!
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| Chad Arnow wrote: | Here's the latest addition, Albion's Sempach with magenta grip.
This is quite a sword. It seems to be a little under-rated, as Type XVII's do in general. It cut soft targets (pool noodles) with great ease, something I didn't really expect, given the blade's cross-section. It's agile in the thrust without lacking authority in the cut. Nice. |
Chad
Very, very nice. A fine replacement for your Mercenary. But you can’t keep away from those red grips can you? Seriously a great looking sword. Can’t wait to try it out.
PS – I have that same belt 
In omnibus requiem quaesivi, et nusquam inveni nisi in angulo cum libro.
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Patrick Kelly
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| Posted: Tue 04 Oct, 2005 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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Me too.
(actually that's my axe and I took that photo, so you didn't get that "one"!)
"In valor there is hope.".................. Tacitus
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Bob Burns
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| Posted: Tue 04 Oct, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject: Henry V comparison to Caithness |
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I did not say these swords were exactly the same, I only alluded that they were somewhat the same in relative size and that both are short but deadly cleavers and thrusters, though yes the Henry V is a better thruster.
Bob
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