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I have made a decision. I am going to go with the Arms & Armor English Buckler, and possibly the Therion Arms large buckler later on should my budget allow it. I e-mailed and recieved an e-mail back from Craig of A &A confirming the time period of their buckler and its construction. Thank you all for your help. -Dan
PS: Quit the argument over MT & the plackarts. I learned my lesson on this very forum about being an uptight snob. MT has received nothing but good reviews from its customers, and if you don't like the brand, don't buy from it.
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Joe Maccarrone
Location: Burien, WA USA Joined: 19 Sep 2003
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| Jeff Johnson wrote: | Ringmail. Pure Braveheart fantasy. Ringmail did not exist except in Victorian productions and D&D.
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Be careful when being an 'elitist snob'.  "Ring mail" -- iron rings sewn onto leather -- did indeed exist, at least in Asia. I've seen a few pictures of Asian samples. Whether it existed in medieval Europe seems highly.....questionable.... 
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David Evans
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| Posted: Wed 17 Aug, 2005 5:01 am Post subject: Doh! |
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Bill,
Thanks for that........Can I just say Doh!
David
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Chuck Russell
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| Allan Senefelder wrote: | Okay Jeffrey this is the short list for plackarts as most of my books are packed up for the move to a new house.
1)Osprey "Wars Of The Roses" plate C figure 3
2)Osprey "Orleans 1429" page 38 a detail from a French illustration of "Alexander besieging Tyre" middle figure wearing chapel de fer.
3)Osprey "The Swiss at War 13000-1500" plate F figure 1 and page 33 showing "contemporary paonting of Burgundian troops in action c.1470. Both the archer and fellow throwing what appears to be a hand grenade have on plackards over brig or maille
4)Osprey "Armies of Medieval Burgundy 1364-1477" plate G figure 2 and plate H figure 1 (this figure actually has a very similar strapping layout to what we use although thats not why we did it. Why we did it is in the write up for the item which you didn't bother to read . It allows it to be worn over the B&B plate we make). Also page 33 middle panel " details from the Reliquary of St. Ursala by Hans Membling c. 1494 the archer has on a plackard over a quilted coat with cross strapping
5)Osprey "German Medeival Armies 1300-1500" plate G figure 3
These figures/images wear plackards alone or over maille,quilting, or brig not as part of a plate 2 pc. breast plate and two of the examples utilize similar strap layouts to ours but as i've stated before you don't seem to have read the write up for the item or you would have know why we have it.
Sallet, the original we worked froms in the write up. I fact theres a picture of the two together . The dimentions are identicle to the original but with a more high gothic feel.
Ringmaille, multiple theories as to what it was this was when mentioned in inventories of the time which I thought you were aware of but if I have to spend this evening digging throught packed books rather than painting my house so I can dig up my copies of books about it I guess I will. If its "fantasy" as you say so's the Atlantean and Beastmaster swords so whats your point?
Edge beveling , or as you call them"shaprened " edges. A common feature for the edges of articulating plates as can be seen on the Maximillian leg c.1530 and the two lower lames of a pauldron c.1570 we posted here in the past and on loads of other original pieces i've had over the years but its plainly visibly in photos in many books or just by going to a museum and looking at the pieces there. Created a better deflecting angle to shead blows but you knew that right.
Rolled edges on the top of the plackard. Ummm.. yeah user safety . The edges of articulating plates face out and are of no danger to the wearer which isn't the case here and since our basis was multiple, multiple period illustrations besides those sighted we made the call in favor of the user.
Jean and Patrick asked for sources which i'd be interested in as well and you still haven't sighted them. Perhaps Jeff you had better just PM them to me as this thread is already pretty far of topic . The guy asked about bucklers not if any one felt like running down a bussiness.
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can we move this to another thread? i'd love to tlak more about this. not debate it, just chat politly and discuss some of your ideas here.
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Jeff Johnson
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I'll move discussion of specific points to PMs.
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Russ Ellis
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| Posted: Wed 17 Aug, 2005 7:16 am Post subject: Re: Buckler... |
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| Russ Thomas wrote: | I am affraid that I cannot help you with a US. made example, but here is a buckler that I make, if it might possibly be of any interest............
http://www.living-history.no/wahre/sb1.jpg
If you click on my website address at the foot of this post, you will see the buckler and its details at the foot of the armour page.
My apologies for the seemingly shameless plug 
Regards as ever,
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Hey Russ,
Some really nice looking work there. I know pretty much zilch about armor but darn your stuff looks nice! Also some interesting looking swords and other weaponry there. Do you ever make pole arms?
TRITONWORKS Custom Scabbards
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Patrick Kelly
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Chuck that post has been moved to a seperate thread, entitled Mercenary's Taylor.
"In valor there is hope.".................. Tacitus
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Russ Thomas
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Hi Russ,
Thanks for the kind words there regarding my wares. I am pleased that you seem to like what I do 
Though I tend to specialise in armour, I will make pretty much whatever I am asked to make to be honest. In the workshop , somewhere , I have an all steel war hammer that I am 'playing' with and a pole axe. The pole axe will eventually go with the replica of the Henry VIII ,1520 foot combat armour that I am hoping to get started with before much longer. It is nice to play with unusual ( for me ! ), items like these.
Regards as ever,
Russ (T) 
Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero !
http://www.living-history.no
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