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Manouchehr M.
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Dear friends,
For lovers of Japanese arms and armor, the Musée du armée has a nice collection of them. enjoy. Any comments are appreciated.
Kind regards
Manouchehr
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Dear friends,
I think I posted some pics of this magnificent sword during my first visit. But this time I jad the chance the take better pictures for you. enjoy.
Kind regards
Manouchehr
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William Knight
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| Sean Flynt wrote: | | Manouchehr M. wrote: | | Sean Flynt wrote: | | This one is of the same type as the Wallace Collection's A477, on which the Windlass Steelcrafts "German Bastard Sword" is modeled. Same distinctive dimensions, hilt details. Note the blued hilt, pear-shaped finials and ringed or spiral collars below finials. These all must have been from the same German workshop. It's great to finally see a full-length view. I'm happy to see the scabbard, but I sure would like to see the blade. I'm hoping to see the A477 in a few weeks.... |
Thank you very much Sean for your input. I really appreciate it. Dear friends, please make more inputs about the pieces that have been posted posted so far. This way we can all learn a lot. Thanks again.
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And thank you for the photos!
As for the archer's brigandine, I can offer only basic info about western armour of this type. It consists of small iron plates riveted to cloth or leather facing material. Sometimes the plates are exposed on the inside of the garment, sometimes they are concealed by a lining. Because the plates can move independently and slide over each other to some degree, this type of armour offers more flexibility than solid plate armour. It is often said that this type of armour also is lighter weight than solid plate. I have no real reason to doubt this, but I'd like to hear a detailed explanation of that. It seems to me that, given the same amount of coverage and same plate thickness, solid plate would be lighter simply because it lacks the rivets required by the brigandine. In theory, this armour is easier (cheaper) to produce than solid plate, which must be formed and fitted. Thus its infantry use.
It is interesting to note that although this type of armour was largely considered obsolete in the west by the 17th century, there is some evidence that the earliest English colonists in Viginia Colony (first quarter of the 17th c.) cut up solid breastplates in order to produce brigandine armour. This is supposed to be an indication that the solid plate was too cumbersome or hot for that particular environment. According to this thinking, a "jack" or "jack of plate" as the English called this type of armour, would have provided ample protection from native arrows and spears while allowing the wearer a more comfortable garment (leather?linen?wool?) and relatively free range of motion.
Armour isn't my primary interest, but I'm sure some students of medieval armour will chime in here to tell us more about the brigandine shown. |
This Brigandine is interesting because it doesn't exhibit some typical features most surviving or depicted 15th century brigandines, namely the triangular nail pattern, though it does have the larger plates that are typical of 15 century, as opposed to 16th century, brigs. I'd need to see the providence and the restoration history to figure out any details about whether its (re?)construction is accurate. But I see no reason to doubt it.
You can still see, to a certain extent, how the brigandine was a tailored and shapely garment that resembled the civilian doublet with its narrow waist, rather than a fairly shapeless one like a coat of plates. However if illustrations are to be believed a new brigandine would be even shapelier and more wasp-waisted.
Finally I'd point out that unlike a jack of plates, where the plates reinforce a cloth jack, the plates are the sole armour hear, the leather being just a covering. Though I don't know much about elizabethan or Jacobean armour, and for them a jack of plates could be something more like a brigandine rather than a jack with plates in it.
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[quote="William Knight"][quote="Sean Flynt"] | Manouchehr M. wrote: | | Sean Flynt wrote: | This one is of the same type as the Wall
As for the archer's brigandine, I can offer only basic info about western armour of this type. It consists of small iron plates riveted to cloth or leather facing material. Sometimes the plates are exposed on the inside of the garment, sometimes they are concealed by a lining. Because the plates can move independently and slide over each other to some degree, this type of armour offers more flexibility than solid plate armour. It is often said that this type of armour also is lighter weight than solid plate. I have no real reason to doubt this, but I'd like to hear a detailed explanation of that. It seems to me that, given the same amount of coverage and same plate thickness, solid plate would be lighter simply because it lacks the rivets required by the brigandine. In theory, this armour is easier (cheaper) to produce than solid plate, which must be formed and fitted. Thus its infantry use.
It is interesting to note that although this type of armour was largely considered obsolete in the west by the 17th century, there is some evidence that the earliest English colonists in Viginia Colony (first quarter of the 17th c.) cut up solid breastplates in order to produce brigandine armour. This is supposed to be an indication that the solid plate was too cumbersome or hot for that particular environment. According to this thinking, a "jack" or "jack of plate" as the English called this type of armour, would have provided ample protection from native arrows and spears while allowing the wearer a more comfortable garment (leather?linen?wool?) and relatively free range of motion.
Armour isn't my primary interest, but I'm sure some students of medieval armour will chime in here to tell us more about the brigandine shown. |
This Brigandine is interesting because it doesn't exhibit some typical features most surviving or depicted 15th century brigandines, namely the triangular nail pattern, though it does have the larger plates that are typical of 15 century, as opposed to 16th century, brigs. I'd need to see the providence and the restoration history to figure out any details about whether its (re?)construction is accurate. But I see no reason to doubt it.
You can still see, to a certain extent, how the brigandine was a tailored and shapely garment that resembled the civilian doublet with its narrow waist, rather than a fairly shapeless one like a coat of plates. However if illustrations are to be believed a new brigandine would be even shapelier and more wasp-waisted.
Finally I'd point out that unlike a jack of plates, where the plates reinforce a cloth jack, the plates are the sole armour hear, the leather being just a covering. Though I don't know much about elizabethan or Jacobean armour, and for them a jack of plates could be something more like a brigandine rather than a jack with plates in it.
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Thank you very much Wilhelm for your excellent input. I really apprecaite it.
Kind regards
Manouchehr
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Dear friends
Some magnificent keris. These are really marvellous with solid looking blades.
Attributed to Indonasia 1750.
Kind regards
Manouchehr Moshtagh Khorasani
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Dear friends,
Look at these marvellous daggers:
rondel daggers
Kidney daggers (ballock daggers)
Ear daggers
From 1400-1500
THey are really nice. Could you give me a background on each type? I really appreciate it.
Kind regards
Manouchehr
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Joshua Connolly
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Am I the only one who wishes they'd let us take some of these works of art home with us? :3
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| Joshua Connolly wrote: | | Am I the only one who wishes they'd let us take some of these works of art home with us? :3 |
Hi Joshua,
Yes they are really marvellous. But it is better that they are kept in the museum. This way we can all enjoy them  .
Kind regards
Manouchehr
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Dear friends,
Let us continue our journey. I really appreciate your input on any piece posted so far.
These two swords are French between 1485-1500.
Kind regards
Manouchehr Moshtagh Khorasani
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James Arlen Gillaspie
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I've been a frequent visitor to the museum, but I haven't seen all the sections open at once since '93, and haven't been there since '97. I don't know when I'll see it again. This is almost painful....
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| James Arlen Gillaspie wrote: | | I've been a frequent visitor to the museum, but I haven't seen all the sections open at once since '93, and haven't been there since '97. I don't know when I'll see it again. This is almost painful.... |
Hi James,
I hope that my pictures would be a small substitute until you can visit this great museum again.
Kind regards
Manouchehr
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Dear friends,
A cranequin-spanned crossbow and a cranequin (crick, rack)
German work 1480-1500.
Kind regards
Manouchehr
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Russ Ellis
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| Manouchehr M. wrote: | Dear friends,
Let us continue our journey. I really appreciate your input on any piece posted so far.
These two swords are French between 1485-1500.
Kind regards
Manouchehr Moshtagh Khorasani |
ARRRRHHHH! I looked at this picture set and thought to myself... hmm interesting the left hand sword shows some superficial similarities the the Bayeriches museum sword that Albion is basing their "Munich" design on. Cool, maybe I can see what is inset into the pommel of this one. Next I see a great shot of the pommel insert of the right hand sword and then... the pommel of the left hand sword... obscured by the flash!!!! Foiled again!!!
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| Russ Ellis wrote: |
ARRRRHHHH! I looked at this picture set and thought to myself... hmm interesting the left hand sword shows some superficial similarities the the Bayeriches museum sword that Albion is basing their "Munich" design on. Cool, maybe I can see what is inset into the pommel of this one. Next I see a great shot of the pommel insert of the right hand sword and then... the pommel of the left hand sword... obscured by the flash!!!! Foiled again!!! |
Have you ever tried to take photos in a museum? It ain't easy. I've done photos in a couple different museums and it's quite difficult. They often don't allow flash. The lighting is often low. The glass is dirty and/or reflective. Etc., etc. I've wasted much digitial memory on poor pictures.
Bottom line: beggars can't be choosers. I'm happy Manouchehr has so many great pics that turned out well. Saves me a trip to France for a while.
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| Russ Ellis wrote: | [q
ARRRRHHHH! I looked at this picture set and thought to myself... hmm interesting the left hand sword shows some superficial similarities the the Bayeriches museum sword that Albion is basing their "Munich" design on. Cool, maybe I can see what is inset into the pommel of this one. Next I see a great shot of the pommel insert of the right hand sword and then... the pommel of the left hand sword... obscured by the flash!!!! Foiled again!!! |
Sorry Russ for the mishap. Normally I have a good camera, but I did not realize that. But I have another picture of the same piece I hope this one is OK let me know.
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Manouchehr
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[quote="Chad Arnow"] | Russ Ellis wrote: |
I'm happy Manouchehr has so many great pics that turned out well. Saves me a trip to France for a while. |
Thank you Chad for your kind words. I really appreciate it.
Kind regards
Manouchehr
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| Chad Arnow wrote: | | Russ Ellis wrote: |
ARRRRHHHH! I looked at this picture set and thought to myself... hmm interesting the left hand sword shows some superficial similarities the the Bayeriches museum sword that Albion is basing their "Munich" design on. Cool, maybe I can see what is inset into the pommel of this one. Next I see a great shot of the pommel insert of the right hand sword and then... the pommel of the left hand sword... obscured by the flash!!!! Foiled again!!! |
Have you ever tried to take photos in a museum? It ain't easy. I've done photos in a couple different museums and it's quite difficult. They often don't allow flash. The lighting is often low. The glass is dirty and/or reflective. Etc., etc. I've wasted much digitial memory on poor pictures.
Bottom line: beggars can't be choosers. I'm happy Manouchehr has so many great pics that turned out well. Saves me a trip to France for a while. |
I have in fact and you are correct. Actually I'm surprised that they let Manouchehr take the photos at all from what I understand in many places they won't. As you say beggars and choosers I just thought it was mildly amusing in a hair pulling sort of way...
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ARRRRHHHH! I looked at this picture set and thought to myself... hmm interesting the left hand sword shows some superficial similarities the the Bayeriches museum sword that Albion is basing their "Munich" design on. Cool, maybe I can see what is inset into the pommel of this one. Next I see a great shot of the pommel insert of the right hand sword and then... the pommel of the left hand sword... obscured by the flash!!!! Foiled again!!! |
Sorry Russ for the mishap. Normally I have a good camera, but I did not realize that. But I have another picture of the same piece I hope this one is OK let me know.
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Oh no worries, I wasn't getting after you. Thanks for the follow on picture. Ironic after my amused frustration that the pommel doesn't actually have anything in it anyway!
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