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Scott Roush
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Mart..
Your third example is clearly black.. but I wonder about the first two? Could that be the tarnishing you mentioned before? Such a huge number of black armoured men! The coloration as shown also looks more like heat blueing than true linseed oil blackening..as the third example appears to be.
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Mart Shearer
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| Posted: Thu 21 Nov, 2013 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| Scott Roush wrote: | Mart..
Your third example is clearly black.. but I wonder about the first two? Could that be the tarnishing you mentioned before? Such a huge number of black armoured men! The coloration as shown also looks more like heat blueing than true linseed oil blackening..as the third example appears to be. |
The first example is all from a single manuscript, so one needs to look at other contemporary manuscripts to determine if this is a single artist's style for portraying iron, or an actual darkening of armor.
http://www.pasthorizonspr.com/wp-content/uplo.../Crecy.jpg
This miniature from the first example has a spiked mace/holy water sprinkler on the right hand side which appears bright compared to the armor.
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/3932/10786/
Unfortunately for this question, the Manuscript Miniatures site has an ending cutoff date of 1450 (he had to put it somewhere), and the trend for blackened armor seems to be around that or slightly later. It's outside my primary interest of study, the late 12th and 13th centuries. I'll be glad to provide links to libraries with online manuscripts if you want to look for the post-1450 images.
The second example may well be tarnish, considering the blade of the weapon has similarly darkened. Here's some early examples of tarnished silver for comparison.
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4081/12334/
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4444/13498/
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4970/15404/
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4673/7950/
Sometimes the tarnish starts to creep beyond the image where it was applied.
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4902/14532/
The best way to know with certainty if that's what we're looking at if for a study of the manuscript to note, "Folios 9, 10, and 11 were richly adorned with silver gilt" or some such.
ferrum ferro acuitur et homo exacuit faciem amici sui
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Scott Roush
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Location: Washburn, WI Joined: 27 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Thu 21 Nov, 2013 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks again Mart.. and everybody else. It has been a helpful thread for me...
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Dan Howard
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| Scott Roush wrote: | Mart..
Your third example is clearly black.. but I wonder about the first two? Could that be the tarnishing you mentioned before? Such a huge number of black armoured men! The coloration as shown also looks more like heat blueing than true linseed oil blackening..as the third example appears to be. |
All the swords are black too. Colour doesn't really tell us anything useful in these illustrations.
Author: Bronze Age Military Equipment, Pen and Sword Books
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