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Stirling Matheson





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PostPosted: Thu 17 Jan, 2008 9:34 pm    Post subject: Historical ways to wear a smallsword?         Reply with quote

I know there were several ways to wear a smallsword, but I have only ever seen the G. G. Godwin belt clip. What else is out there?

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Jan, 2008 12:27 am    Post subject: wearing the smallsword         Reply with quote

Baldric Early smallswords in that cross over era of the mid 17th Century seem to largely be worn on baldrics, sometimes very richly blinged up or disgused in the sash/scarfe of an officer. Which I think is where you get sash swords from such as A.V.Norman's Type 105(?) You can see this is in some of the mid to late 17th Century Dutch Militia group pictures and there is a cracking example of a sash sword being worn on a Family tomb in Salisbury Catherdal.
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Christopher Gregg




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PostPosted: Fri 18 Jan, 2008 6:51 am    Post subject: Smallsword         Reply with quote

Check out George C. Neumann's "Swords and Blades of the American Revolution". There are illustrations and photographs showing various sword suspension methods, including the small sword, beginning from about the 17th century. It's a very informative book!
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Chris Goerner




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PostPosted: Sat 19 Jan, 2008 4:56 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have been studying 18th century paintings, and though I cannot say definitively, I am of a growing conviction that the use of the term "belt clip" for the item GG Godwin sells is a misnomer. Several paintings clearly show chains or straps extending from the smallsword up under the wearer's waistcoat. As belts were not worn with breeches, I can only conclude that the clip was worn over the waistband of the breeches and not over a belt.

Does anyone have any evidence to confirm or refute my theory?

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Jonathan Hopkins




PostPosted: Sat 19 Jan, 2008 12:34 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Some scans from Neumann, I will add an additional image or two later:


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Stirling Matheson





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PostPosted: Sat 19 Jan, 2008 1:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks alot. I need to figure out something for the ballet "Giselle" and I have a few ideas now.
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Jonathan Hopkins




PostPosted: Sat 19 Jan, 2008 1:55 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here is one more--sorry for the blur in the left margin!


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Peter Bosman




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PostPosted: Mon 28 Jan, 2008 8:28 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This is a picture of the belt clip still in use in france

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