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Lafayette C Curtis




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PostPosted: Fri 18 Jul, 2008 2:37 am    Post subject: What kind of sword is this?         Reply with quote

There's a curious sword (or long knife) depicted in Pieter Aertsen's Egg Dance--a public-domain version of which can be seen here:

http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/aertsen/egg-dance/

How should the blade be properly classified? Is it a messer (unlikely because of the grip?), a dusack, or something else entirely?
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Olov Tidemalm





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PostPosted: Fri 18 Jul, 2008 3:16 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It looks alot like: http://histvarld.historiska.se/histvarld/drae...G_2948.jpg
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J. D. Carter




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PostPosted: Fri 18 Jul, 2008 4:12 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It's almost as if a katzbalger and a saber mated. Nice link to the story behind the painting
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PostPosted: Fri 18 Jul, 2008 7:12 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'd say it's a long peasant knife like the German rugger.
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PostPosted: Fri 18 Jul, 2008 7:42 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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Ben C.





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PostPosted: Fri 18 Jul, 2008 9:11 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

the sword posted by Olov Tidemalm seems to be pretty close. The website appears to be in Swedish so unfortunately I can't read any of the details but in my opinion it looks to be the same type. The sword's details are here;

http://histvarld.historiska.se/histvarld/drae...balte.html
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Anders Backlund




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PostPosted: Fri 18 Jul, 2008 11:47 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I've wondered about that blade as well, actually. To me it looks like some kind of messer with a katzbalger guard.

Ben Condon wrote:
the sword posted by Olov Tidemalm seems to be pretty close. The website appears to be in Swedish so unfortunately I can't read any of the details but in my opinion it looks to be the same type. The sword's details are here;

http://histvarld.historiska.se/histvarld/drae...balte.html


According to the text, this sword is a replica of the so-called "Kaninholm Saber", found in Västerås and dated to ca 1520-30. It's described as a grossemesser bastardized with a katzbalger guard. While both these weapons were common at the time this type of hybrid appears to be very rare. It is believed that it was not made in Sweden but more likely Germany. The hilt is made out of ash and since the original hilt was not preserved the replica is based on similar grossemessers in the Wallace Collection.

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