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J.D. Crawford




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PostPosted: Sun 19 Aug, 2012 3:21 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Robin Smith wrote:
Given the overall similarity of form, I would not be surprised if it came from the same workshop...


That's what's odd Robin; here we have two swords, one dated 11-12th century, the other dated 13-14th century, with such similar general form that they look like they could be made by the same hand. Although the details differ, type X vs. XII, brazil nut vs. whatever pommel this one is; maybe its just co-incidence or what biologists call 'evolutionary convergence'.

At any rate, I think this example (if its authentic) shows that a long curved cross can go way back to early medieval times.
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PostPosted: Sun 19 Aug, 2012 7:00 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

J.D. Crawford wrote:
Robin Smith wrote:
Given the overall similarity of form, I would not be surprised if it came from the same workshop...


That's what's odd Robin; here we have two swords, one dated 11-12th century, the other dated 13-14th century, with such similar general form that they look like they could be made by the same hand. Although the details differ, type X vs. XII, brazil nut vs. whatever pommel this one is; maybe its just co-incidence or what biologists call 'evolutionary convergence'.

At any rate, I think this example (if its authentic) shows that a long curved cross can go way back to early medieval times.

My bet is Bonhams date is off. Looking at these two together, I'm personally convinced that they are from the same hand.

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