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Patrick Kelly
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 Posted: Wed 31 Aug, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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I think the Blue Whale theory applies here.
"In valor there is hope.".................. Tacitus
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Thomas McDonald
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| Gavin Kisebach wrote: | | C) a perishable medium which would not be on any original peices. |
Hi Gavin
While it's certainly true that some examples of leather / textiles may have perished it's also true that some would also survive !
Mac
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Thomas McDonald
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Looking at this Tulwar example of langet & scabbard, on Rob Miller's site:
http://www.antiqueswords.com/it10.htm
..... this strikes me as a design that might be for scabbard retention ! ?
Not being up on Indian weapons ..... do the langets ride inside or outside of the scabbard mouth ?
From the wear I'd guess outside ?
Thanks, Mac
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Daniel Parry
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I don't think Gavin's suggestion is too off the mark. My first thought also looking at the thread was better grip on shortening the sword by holding the ricasso. That's a complete guess though.
The idea of giving support whilst not affecting the harmonics is also really interesting.
My only other thought seeing these pictures is that the upturned crosses and the langets remind me a lot of the anthropomorphic pommels of celtic swords. Could this be a decorative feature reflecting that earlier celtic symbolic design of a man???
Tulwar langets were outside the scabbard I think, but for the claymore ones to be it would have to be a very thin scabbard or have some cut away sections at the mouth wouldn't it ?
Mac, you have some outrageously nice pieces in your collection !
Daniel
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Thomas McDonald
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Thanks, Daniel !
A few shots that give some perspective of this swords size, as well as its langet area !
The sword is very fast, and controls easily when one hand is back near the pommel and the other down near the cross !
The leverage you get from this long handle would be quite devastating in the cut (like these swords needed more, right ;-)
Mac
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Russ Ellis
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| Posted: Thu 01 Sep, 2005 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| Patrick Kelly wrote: | | I think the Blue Whale theory applies here. |
Sorry Patrick, I'm not familiar with that one... spell it out for the ignorant???
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Daniel Parry
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| Posted: Thu 01 Sep, 2005 8:37 am Post subject: |
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That's such a nice piece. I love the simplicity of the hilt and crosses. It really brings out the functional elegance of the type (and makes me think even more about the celtic anthropomorphic designs). Who made this one , Vince Evans ? I can sort of understand the speed looking at the pics and the proportions, certainly wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of that sword. They had a nice claymore of very similar design in an island castle I visited in the summer in Barra (or was it Eriskay).
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Russ Ellis
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Hmmm I wonder if Mr. Evans would have any other insight into the orignal Langet question. Mac, do an unfair comparison for me, how does the VE piece handle compared to your old A&A piece pre-modification? I know it's apples and oranges and different price points but am still curious...
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Patrick Kelly
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| Posted: Thu 01 Sep, 2005 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| Russ Ellis wrote: | | Patrick Kelly wrote: | | I think the Blue Whale theory applies here. |
Sorry Patrick, I'm not familiar with that one... spell it out for the ignorant??? |
The Blue Whale is the largest air breathing mammal on the face of the earth. In spite of this, the Blue Whale draws all of it's oxygen through a small blow-hole measuring a few inches in diameter. You could choke the largest mammal on the face of the earth with your closed fist.
Why?
That's just the way it is.
"In valor there is hope.".................. Tacitus
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Daniel Parry
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Patrick,
You are becoming more eliptical and oracle-like by the day. Is your retirement plan to retreat to a mountain cave, grow a long beard and make fortune-cookie style pronouncements to those who make the pilgimage to your cave ?  I can imagine exited and bemused supplicants walking away having been told 'My son, the claymore is as the Blue Whale's breathing hole, think on this well'
LOL
Daniel
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Russ Ellis
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| Posted: Thu 01 Sep, 2005 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| Patrick Kelly wrote: | | Russ Ellis wrote: | | Patrick Kelly wrote: | | I think the Blue Whale theory applies here. |
Sorry Patrick, I'm not familiar with that one... spell it out for the ignorant??? |
The Blue Whale is the largest air breathing mammal on the face of the earth. In spite of this, the Blue Whale draws all of it's oxygen through a small blow-hole measuring a few inches in diameter. You could choke the largest mammal on the face of the earth with your closed fist.
Why?
That's just the way it is.
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<slaps self in head> You know I asked...
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Thomas McDonald
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| Posted: Thu 01 Sep, 2005 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| Russ Ellis wrote: | | Hmmm I wonder if Mr. Evans would have any other insight into the orignal Langet question. Mac, do an unfair comparison for me, how does the VE piece handle compared to your old A&A piece pre-modification? I know it's apples and oranges and different price points but am still curious... |
Hi Russ
Your invited to come visit and compare 'em till your hearts content ..... than you can tell the gang ;-)
Seriously, they are two different beasties, as were most originals, so the comparison would not tell you much ?
In my opinion, Vince's skill in building a sword is pretty much second to no one, so I suppose I'll leave it at that !
Amen, Mac
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Russ Ellis
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| Posted: Thu 01 Sep, 2005 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Thomas McDonald wrote: | | Russ Ellis wrote: | | Hmmm I wonder if Mr. Evans would have any other insight into the orignal Langet question. Mac, do an unfair comparison for me, how does the VE piece handle compared to your old A&A piece pre-modification? I know it's apples and oranges and different price points but am still curious... |
Hi Russ
Your invited to come visit and compare 'em till your hearts content ..... than you can tell the gang ;-)
Seriously, they are two different beasties, as were most originals, so the comparison would not tell you much ?
In my opinion, Vince's skill in building a sword is pretty much second to no one, so I suppose I'll leave it at that !
Amen, Mac |
Fair enough... careful you are about to put that thing through your foot!
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Patrick Kelly
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| Posted: Thu 01 Sep, 2005 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Daniel Parry wrote: | Patrick,
You are becoming more eliptical and oracle-like by the day. Is your retirement plan to retreat to a mountain cave, grow a long beard and make fortune-cookie style pronouncements to those who make the pilgimage to your cave ? I can imagine exited and bemused supplicants walking away having been told 'My son, the claymore is as the Blue Whale's breathing hole, think on this well'
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I don't know, do you think there's a market for that kind of thing? 
Seriously though, I love Mac's VE claymore. That has got to be my hands-down favorite modern interpretation of the type. In fact, I'd say that's probably my favorite sword in Mac's collection. I've never seen a modern made claymore with that kind of sleek appearance. Neat.
"In valor there is hope.".................. Tacitus
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Russ Ellis
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| Patrick Kelly wrote: | | Seriously though, I love Mac's VE claymore. That has got to be my hands-down favorite modern interpretation of the type. In fact, I'd say that's probably my favorite sword in Mac's collection. I've never seen a modern made claymore with that kind of sleek appearance. Neat. |
I was thinking that same thing actually... hence my handling quesiton... may have to make that trip to Massachussetts...
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Steve Grisetti
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| Posted: Thu 01 Sep, 2005 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Mac - the long two hand claymores have never appealed to me...until I saw yours. That is just beautiful.
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Thomas McDonald
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Thanks, Guys !
Vince deserves alot of credit for this one as it's just ..... Magnificent !
Out of curiousity I played around with the photo I took and shortened the hilt up to see what it would look like !
But ya know ..... upon seeing it, I can truthfully say that I prefer the longer hilt on this one !
Something about the porportions just seem right !
(although it looks pretty darn good shorter, as well ;-)
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Vince is amazing ! Mac
Here's my crude attempt at photo minipulation !
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Gordon Clark
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| Russ Ellis wrote: | | Patrick Kelly wrote: | | Seriously though, I love Mac's VE claymore. That has got to be my hands-down favorite modern interpretation of the type. In fact, I'd say that's probably my favorite sword in Mac's collection. I've never seen a modern made claymore with that kind of sleek appearance. Neat. |
I was thinking that same thing actually... hence my handling quesiton... may have to make that trip to Massachussetts... |
You can stop through here and play with my A&A type XX on the way Russ. The sword handling vacation tour ...
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Jason Elrod
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| Gordon Clark wrote: | | Russ Ellis wrote: | | Patrick Kelly wrote: | | Seriously though, I love Mac's VE claymore. That has got to be my hands-down favorite modern interpretation of the type. In fact, I'd say that's probably my favorite sword in Mac's collection. I've never seen a modern made claymore with that kind of sleek appearance. Neat. |
I was thinking that same thing actually... hence my handling quesiton... may have to make that trip to Massachussetts... |
You can stop through here and play with my A&A type XX on the way Russ. The sword handling vacation tour ... |
Umm. Is this the custom XX pictured on A&A's website? Cuz if Russ doesn't want to handle the sword, I'll make a quick swoop down from Winchester VA to play with it.
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Russ Ellis
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| Posted: Fri 02 Sep, 2005 6:36 am Post subject: |
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You can stop through here and play with my A&A type XX on the way Russ. The sword handling vacation tour ... |
Umm. Is this the custom XX pictured on A&A's website? Cuz if Russ doesn't want to handle the sword, I'll make a quick swoop down from Winchester VA to play with it.[/quote]
Yes it's the same outstanding sword. Gordon had it made a couple of years back just to taunt me cause he knows it's one of my favorite types and has been needling me ever since. He's such a wiseacre...
Sounds like a good plan Gordon of course with gas prices the way they are I hope you don't mind if I stay a while...
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