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Jonathan Hopkins
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Today's image is a nice scabbard from 1498:
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Thomas McDonald
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| Posted: Sun 15 Apr, 2007 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I think I prefer the decoration on the V&A example's blade, though! - Jonathan |
Jonathan, any idea what the blades inscription reads ?
Thanks again, Mac
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'Gott Bewahr Die Oprechte Schotten'
XX ANDRIA XX FARARA XX
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Randall Moffett
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Thanks for the info. I will ask around and see what I can dig up. It is a sad aspect of our time that so much good armour and arms end up as storage material. I was so suprised to see what the BM had in storage. shelves full of swords and many nice boses. I guess in their case they do have alot out though and just do not have the space for more though. The V and A, they have plenty of space for it, just take out the.....
Mac,
It looks like regere to me for the first word of the first line. The next might be a number (60 something?) but I cannot read more than a few letters of it. Regere is the infinitive for to guide or to direct.
RPM
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Jonathan Hopkins
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| Posted: Sun 15 Apr, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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Here is the original image size and a 125% enlargement:
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Merv Cannon
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| Posted: Sun 15 Apr, 2007 4:35 pm Post subject: V & A Sword |
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Hi everyone, Thomas...how you doin ? I ran the image through Photoshop and as far as I can tell, the script says.........
"REGERE SEITSXM. VSI
SVMMA SAPLENGESO "
I am fairly sure that 90% of this is accurate., though the first line is somewhat cryptic.
Cheers !
Merv ....... KOLR
http://www.lionrampant.com.au/
"Then let slip the dogs of war ! "......Woof !
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Gabriele C.
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| Posted: Sun 15 Apr, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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REGERE SEIPSUM SUMMA SAPIENT(IA). EST
There are a couple of possible traslations and sound like:
May this sword be handled with the gratest wisdom
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May you be driven by the greatest wisdom
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Randall Moffett
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Now that makes sense. How on earth can you read that? Man thats good. I spend long days reading old manuscripts in medieval shorthand and could not get it. Good job!
RPM
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Gabriele C.
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| Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2007 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| Gabriele C. wrote: | REGERE SEIPSUM SUMMA SAPIENT(IA). EST
There are a couple of possible traslations and sound like:
May this sword be handled with the gratest wisdom
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May you be driven by the greatest wisdom |
I apologize. I made an horrible mistake because i forgot "est" in the traslation. Errata corrige:
"The greatest wisdom is to drive ourself"
It means that the most important kwoledge is know how to drive our mind and body.
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Gabriele C.
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| Posted: Mon 16 Apr, 2007 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| Randall Moffett wrote: | Now that makes sense. How on earth can you read that? Man thats good. I spend long days reading old manuscripts in medieval shorthand and could not get it. Good job!
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thanks Randall.I used to traslate from roman monuments or tombs (there are a billion only in Roma). There a lot of letters are very hard to understand , especially because there isnt space between the words and because acient latin is ten times harder than "volgar" latin. Thus this iscription seemed to me clear since the first look. Anyway this afternoon i'm going to search on the book of Iacopo Gelli "Guida del racccoglietore e dell'amatore di armi antiche" (1900) if there are other swords with this iscription.
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Thomas McDonald
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Thank you, gentlemen, nice work !
I knew our gang here was up to the challenge :-) Slàinte, Mac
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Gabriele C.
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In 1900 there was a side sword (1640-1650) in the Royal armory of Turin with the same incision "regere seipsum summa sapientia est".
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Jonathan Hopkins
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Today's images are of a nice silver-hilted 18th century hunting sword. Apparently I did not get a photo of the info card--apologies!
Jonathan
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Jonathan Hopkins
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| Posted: Tue 17 Apr, 2007 10:54 am Post subject: |
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Here are the final images (like I said, there wasn't much) of a nice late 17th century silver hilt small sword:
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Steve Grisetti
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| Posted: Tue 17 Apr, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Jonathan Hopkins wrote: | Today's images are of a nice silver-hilted 18th century hunting sword. Apparently I did not get a photo of the info card--apologies!
Jonathan |
OOH. That is a beauty! Thanks for posting the hunting sword.
"...dismount thy tuck, be yare in thy preparation, for thy assailant is quick, skilful, and deadly."
- Sir Toby Belch
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