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Nostro Titus
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Mar, 2008 2:05 am    Post subject: Spanish spear         Reply with quote

I am just sharing this picture of a spanish weapon that is more of an upsize spear than anything else. The distance between tip and shoulders is 115cm, 5cm wide at the shoulders and the socket adds 20cm more.
Up to this point I could not find any other example of anything resembling it in the literature so any additional information is welcome.


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PostPosted: Thu 20 Mar, 2008 3:32 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

so the SLO at the tip is longer than the tip of an ahlspiess? Damn, thats quite long, I sure hope the socket is made very solid to help even out forces that are not in thrust direction.
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Mar, 2008 8:09 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

If it's authentic, it's most likely north Italian, ca. 1500. These are not uncommon, but all of those I've seen are very fine arms, like those in Tower of London, Royal Armouries, Leeds, Frazier International History Museum and in the photo below, from Europäische Heib-Und Stichwaffen.

The example you show is relatively crude, and I wonder about its authenticity. But there are plenty of authentic but crude arms out there--museums display the fine stuff. The halberd beside it (right)--if authentic--is of the same period and region (north Italian or south German,) so that could be an argument for the authenticity of both pieces.

Which museum is this? Knowing that might help us judge authenticity.



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PostPosted: Thu 20 Mar, 2008 2:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

There is also the example of the so-called "Jeddart staff" of the Scottish border area with a 1.25 meter blade.
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Mar, 2008 7:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Spanish spear         Reply with quote

Nostro Titus wrote:
I am just sharing this picture of a spanish weapon that is more of an upsize spear than anything else. The distance between tip and shoulders is 115cm, 5cm wide at the shoulders and the socket adds 20cm more.
Up to this point I could not find any other example of anything resembling it in the literature so any additional information is welcome
Nostro


Hi Nostro.....Just wondering if you know which Museum the photo is from ? (And thanks for posting it !)

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Nostro Titus
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PostPosted: Sat 22 Mar, 2008 3:25 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The pictures are from the Cultural History Museum in Cape Town, South Africa.

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