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Sean Flynt
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Michael G. Myers
Location: El Paso, Texas Joined: 23 Aug 2003
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Posted: Mon 19 Sep, 2005 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Sean Flynt wrote: | I didn't see a weight listed for the Novara when I looked online a few minutes ago. The text for that piece does, however, end with a pound sign (#) and a number beginning with 5. Could there be a misread somewhere along the line? I just don't see how that piece could weigh that much unless the furniture is lead or the dimensions are truly ridiculous. |
Sean,
I received a catalogue today, and the listed stats are:
OAL-50 1/2"
Blade-40 long, 2" wide, 3/16" thick
Weight -5lbs.
Michael
"In the fight between you and the world, back the world." - Kafka
"Neither flesh, nor fowl, nor good red-herring..."
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Sean Flynt
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Elling Polden
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Posted: Tue 20 Sep, 2005 7:21 am Post subject: |
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As for the "Viking Helbard", as far as I know there have been no finds a weapon of this type. The Atgeir is mentioned a number of times, but no one knows what it looked like. The word Kesje is also used to describe a hewing spear. Wether this is a different weapon, or just a dialectic difference is not known.
There have been found very broad spearheads, that could conceivably be mounted on a stout shaft and used for swings as well as stabs.
Flateyarbok(1394) mentions a man that had a Atgeir under his belt. This would indicate that some of them where no longer than a long shafted axe.Possibly, the short shafted Atgeir would look something like a Zulu Assegai, with a short shaft, and broad head. If so, I imagine they where used more like axes with stabbing potential than spears.
Other sources describe them as full length spears.
A third kind is the Bryntvari, or Mail Piercer, wich is broad bladed at the base, but narrows down to a armour piercing spike.
In the 13th century, "Snaghyrnd øx", or "sharp cornered axe" is used to describe a bardiche style medevial axe.
In the 14th cent, we hear of "Taparøx" probably derived from Tapar, old slavic for axe, a one handed version of the same.
"this [fight] looks curious, almost like a game. See, they are looking around them before they fall, to find a dry spot to fall on, or they are falling on their shields. Can you see blood on their cloths and weapons? No. This must be trickery."
-Reidar Sendeman, from King Sverre's Saga, 1201
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G. Scott H.
Location: Arizona, USA Joined: 22 Feb 2005
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Posted: Tue 20 Sep, 2005 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Sean Flynt wrote: | 50.5"! That's a beast alright, but I'm still betting that their weight is high. I've found that it often is with MRL items, either because it's based on shipping or includes the scabbard. |
I think you may be right, at least I'm hoping you're right. Based upon the weights of some of their other large swords, I'd think that the Noavara would be more like 4 lbs at most.
There's only one way to determine this for sure: you'll have to buy one, weigh it, and report your findings.
Seriously though, I'd be surprised if it was any more than 4 lbs.
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Chuck Russell
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Posted: Tue 20 Sep, 2005 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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i always worry about mrl stuff anymore. theres only so many ways to polish a terd. ehhehe
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Edward Hitchens
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Posted: Wed 21 Sep, 2005 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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Fifty inches is a lot of sword, but even so I think 5 pounds is a little weighty for that. I think it's good that some of MRL's new stuff is geared more towards history than fantasy/sci-fi.
"The whole art of government consists in the art of being honest." Thomas Jefferson
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Chuck Russell
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Posted: Wed 21 Sep, 2005 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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sad thing is edward thats the way they USED to be. ug makes me sad hehee
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Thomas Laible
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Posted: Thu 22 Sep, 2005 11:00 am Post subject: Armi bianche italiane? |
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The catalog states that some of the new models (Novara, Venetian) after images in armi bianchi italiane and the Auray is models after a soword in the Philadelphia Fine Art Museum.
Can somebody post images of the originals?
Thomas
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Nathan Robinson
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Nathan Robinson
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Nathan Robinson
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Patrick Kelly
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Posted: Thu 22 Sep, 2005 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Notice the weight on the original that inspired the Novara. Maybe MRL isn't too far off after all.
"In valor there is hope.".................. Tacitus
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Roger Hooper
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Posted: Thu 22 Sep, 2005 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not a big XV fan, but I am attracted to that Sword of Auray. Must resist - made a vow - no more MRL's. It is inexpensive though.
Strange that the text for this item is incomplete on the MRL website. The tenuous historical tie-in stops at the beginning of a sentence, and there is nothing about the sword itself. I guess the catalogue is more complete and includes some specs.
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Caleb Hallgren
Location: DeKalb, IL Joined: 01 Aug 2004
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Posted: Thu 22 Sep, 2005 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Patrick Kelly wrote: | Notice the weight on the original that inspired the Novara. Maybe MRL isn't too far off after all. |
But the length is 8 inches longer on the original.
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Gary Grzybek
Location: Stillwater N.J. Joined: 25 Aug 2003
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Posted: Thu 22 Sep, 2005 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Nathan Robinson wrote: | Looking through our own myArmoury.com photo albums, I found this photo from the Philadelphia Museum of Art that seems to be the original sword on which MRL based their "Auray" model:
Click photo for full-sized version |
I saw this one up close and found it to be quite a beauty.
Gary Grzybek
ARMA Northern N.J.
www.armastudy.org
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Sean Flynt
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G. Scott H.
Location: Arizona, USA Joined: 22 Feb 2005
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Posted: Fri 23 Sep, 2005 10:46 am Post subject: |
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Check out Reliks for some good close-ups of the Novara. Interesting to note how closely the guard fits the blade. Looks far better than the standard Windlass "generic rectangular guard cutout".
http://www.reliks.com/merchant.ihtml?pid=2243
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Anton de Vries
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Posted: Fri 23 Sep, 2005 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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Gotta admit I'm tempted. 5 lbs is a lot but it might be nice as a strength-building practice sword. Any other excuse is probably equally valid.
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Patrick Kelly
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Posted: Fri 23 Sep, 2005 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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The markings on the blade look like they may be put there with the same process Windlass uses for their INDIA blade mark. I think anyone purchasing this sword might want to think twice about removing the hard varnish from the blade since this removes the makers mark. You may also remove the decoration in the process.
I like the design but too bad the furniture is brass.
"In valor there is hope.".................. Tacitus
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