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W. Schütz
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 Posted: Wed 01 Mar, 2006 9:46 am Post subject: Secondary bevel on Sword |
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Im not too good at swords as ive posted before, so sorry for all my inane swords posts..;/ But here it goes;
Ive gotten the offer to get a del tin sword from Albion, they are ofcourse not sharpened, so they offer to sharpen it via a "secondary bevel". And im wondering if this is a major setback and will make my sword look cheap and tacky, or just "not as hot" as usual.. Please post any thoughts of secondary bevel on swords! Thanks!
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Greyson Brown
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I personally do not think that a secondary bevel is a huge problem. It is not historically accurate, and it does detract from the appearance of the blade a little bit, but it isn't bad. To get an idea of the aesthetic difference, compare the Albion Squire Line 13th Century Great Sword and the Albion Next Gen Baron. Yes, it is noticable. A sword designed with a sharp edge in mind is going to look nicer, but I would not describe either my Albion Squire Line Knightly Sword or the 13th Century Great Sword in the review (both sharoened with a secondary bevel by Albion) as "tacky."
As for performance, I have not compared two swords of the same type, but I think that my Knightly Sword cuts very well. Chad Arnow noted in his 13th Century Great Sword review that it was a tick slower than the Baron when cutting. I don't think you will notice a huge difference in handling or performance, but that is just a guess.
Hope that helps a little.
-Grey
"So long as I can keep the path of honor I am well content."
-Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, The White Company
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Matt Phillips
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I couldn't agree more with Grey. I have a sword with a secondary bevel and the cutting difference is negligible. If this sword is being professionally sharpened it shouldn't detract too much from the overall appearance. Though it will look different, it won't be by any means ghastly.
Matt
"Mine honour is my life; both grow in one; take honour from me and my life is done." William Shakespear
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Angus Trim
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| Posted: Wed 01 Mar, 2006 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: Secondary bevel on Sword |
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| W. Stilleborn wrote: | Im not too good at swords as ive posted before, so sorry for all my inane swords posts..;/ But here it goes;
Ive gotten the offer to get a del tin sword from Albion, they are ofcourse not sharpened, so they offer to sharpen it via a "secondary bevel". And im wondering if this is a major setback and will make my sword look cheap and tacky, or just "not as hot" as usual.. Please post any thoughts of secondary bevel on swords! Thanks! |
Secondary bevels are indeed "period". You may not find them as often as, say an appleseed {which is just another form of bevel, just blended to the main bevel}, but you most definitely find secondary bevels in most periods.......
There's been some question about whether the obvious secondary bevel {much discussed on SFI in the old days} was ever on a "new" sword, or whether it was a repair, resharpen, or something along that line. Personally, I suspect that the obvious secondary bevels were an "aftermarket" thing, a resharpened or repaired edge.
Performance wise, a secondary bevel need not be any hinderance. It has more to do with the "edge angle" {the included angle of the edge bevels}, and the thickness of the edge before initial sharpening.
There are other important performance issues that would effect cutting, the "secondary" bevel isn't that important an issue...........
"Looks"? Aesthetics isn't my department, I'm sure the more aesthetic oriented will answer that.........
swords are fun
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W. Schütz
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Great replies all. Seeing the Albion squire edge pics made me really think of it in less demonizing ways..
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Wolfgang Armbruster
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Thanks for this very informative post, Mr. Trim!
IIRC Albion's Regent has a secondary bevel.
I'm not sure about that but I think Peter Johnsson wrote some comments about that topic in one of these various threads here. I think he said that secondary bevels are quite common on hollow-ground blades to support the edge with more mass behind it. The edge would be too thin without it.
Maybe I'm totally wrong and my brain is playing tricks on me, but that's what I remember having read.
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Nathan Robinson
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| Posted: Thu 02 Mar, 2006 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| Wolfgang Armbruster wrote: | I think he said that secondary bevels are quite common on hollow-ground blades to support the edge with more mass behind it. The edge would be too thin without it.
Maybe I'm totally wrong and my brain is playing tricks on me, but that's what I remember having read. |
I don't think it would be too thin to support it. I think it's simply a different level of finish. Blending requires much hand-work and both types were seen historically.
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Wolfgang Armbruster
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So would it be safe to assume that a secondary bevel is simply a question of available time and skill?
The sword wouldn't cut better if you would smooth the secondary bevel out, I guess.
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This is a standard topic